Which Is It?
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21st Apr

Back on December 9, 2016, you stated you would not pay anymore for the server.  I quote "...this will be the last time I pay any more...".  See attached pix for your words.

Then, with the bill being due on the 12/21/2016, you posted again on 12/21 asking for money.

Since that time, only $255.01 has been donated.  This covers an entire four months of no donations.

So, based on what you publicly stated, when will this server be shutting down?  There are no donations and you stated that you would also not pay anymore, though, it appears your word is 'questionable' at best.  Based on what you told everyone, it should have been shut down three months ago, but it is not and no donations exist either.

There are also hardly any players on the server too. GameTracker reports an average of seven people per day.

I did not wish to waste my time or my groups time coming to a server where it is about to be closed or the owner is a liar.

So, the questions is:  When are you shutting down or was this a ruse?  Which is it? 

This is a legit question.
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21st Apr

This is not a legit question, by far.

Since you are to much of a coward to even use your ingame name.
You should start with that ...
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21st Apr

Yes the donations that are made that you see are not from this month since i have not reset them back to 0. And to call me a liar is the last thing you want to do. And i have made a payment with my own money since the server has been up for over 2 years, epoch at times slows down and also if you check gametracker you will see all the other server with low pop also. And to better sum it up im not a liar for one and for 2 i really dont care what you think better yet I have dealt with assholes like you for over 2 years running this server so please do what you want because i dont shut my mouth anymore, And just so you no i have paid the server out of my pocket more times than donations have. And no the server is not going down because i once again will be paying out of my pocket. And also the bill each month for the server is 217.00 us dollars so get your math right .
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21st Apr

I just love it when people come in here and try to show how smart they are, but in reality, all it shows us is how really stupid they are. I have a LEGIT question. What was your in-game name, I'm just curious. As of now you seem like a troll hiding behind your fictitious name. We have nothing to hide here. Why you hiding?
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4th May



Interesting.  Instead of answering the question, a tactic known as ‘deflection’ was employed.  2 of you decided to utilize that approach instead of just answering the question.  And Measles, you are not even empowered to even be answering this question.  You are not part of the ‘financial operations’, so I have no idea why you even butted-in where you had no business being. 

So, what is ‘deflection’? 
 
 
http://www.lifespan.com/10-eas ... ays-recognize-liars/
 
“…A person who is telling a lie will get defensive...They will do everything in their power to deflect your attention away from themselves...”
 
 
 
https://datingasociopath.com/2 ... -deflect-situations/
 

“…What is deflection?  Deflection takes focus away from the accusation…”
 
 
 
http://www.compulsivelyingdiso ... one-is-lying-to-you/
 
“…And watch how they react to your question; do they suddenly go on the defensive, try to stall or deflect the question? They are probably lying then…”
 
 
See more here:  https://www.google.com/#q=deflection+liars
 
 
 
@Measles:
 
“This is not a legit question, by far” – How so?  He said if no donations came in, he was shutting the server down.  No donations came in, so this is a legit question.  After all, HE DID SAY THIS.
 
“…Since you are to much of a coward to even use your ingame name…” – Hmm…so if I use my in-game name, the answer is ‘yes’, but if I use some other name, the answer would be ‘no’?  That is crap.  Try that on a 2 year old, it might work on them.  The truth is the truth regardless of a name being used.  A name is just a label, it does not affect the truth.
 
Also, since when does this make one a coward?  Refusing to answer the question makes one a coward, not the name they go by.
 
 
@Viper:
 
Anything less than the truth is a lie – period.  If one lies, they are a liar – period.  It was YOU that stated ‘no money, no server’, not me.
 
“…Yes the donations that are made that you see are not from this month…” – Try again, this was the case for MONTHS (4 to be exact), thus why I asked.
 
“…epoch at times slows down and also if you check gametracker you will see all the other server with low pop also…” – This is not the case.  The ‘slow down’ is from 3 things:
 
#1 – Hawkeye runs off people.  His behavior has run off many a person.  Such as banning Fire Penguin for asking a legit question.  The video of this exists and I have a copy of it, which includes several minutes BEFORE the ban so we can ALL SEE that it was not proper.

 

#2 – Lack of decent/good admins.  All the good admins left too due to crap.  MasterChief, Ody, RedPanther, Rusch.  They all left, or better yet, they were run off.  And do not even bother stating why they are not here, for we do not have THEIR SIDE, seems that those posts were DELETED.  Also, you have people who post items in the forums that yall never answer.  But you were MIGHTY QUICK TO RESPOND TO MINE!  People such as Joni.  This person has waited for 6 days and NO RESPONSE.  Of course, I can hear it now:  ’Oh we responded to them in a private message’…sure you did.  Or the player Dan who asked a question and yall NEVER ANSWERED HIM!  After 3 days, a player did though – BUT NOT BY YALL!

 

#3 – You running a ‘dead’ mod.  As of this writing, there are ONLY 11 servers WORLD-WIDE running epoch.  While there are OVER 100 exile servers in the United States ALONE.  49 of those 100+ US based servers have 10+ players on them.  Epoch is crap and full of bugs.  It sux, always has, and the numbers do not lie.  Every month, epoch dies and exile grows.  See attached pix as proof. 
 
“…I have dealt with assholes like you…” – Oh, you mean a person who holds you accountable to what you stated?  Gee!  I did not know that made one an asshole!  Then again, criminals typically do not talk highly of the police who arrest them either…
 
“…And also the bill each month for the server is 217.00 us dollars so get your math right…” – I never said anything about what the bill was.  You need to go back and re-read what I stated.  And if it is $217, then why are you asking for $250???  You cannot be honest enough to ask JUST FOR THE $217???
 
“…not from this month since i have not reset them back to 0…” – So, you have been misleading people then?  That is what you are saying.  Making people THINK that you only have received $255 when you may have gotten $1000 (for example).  Some would call this FRAUD.  Because you have stated you took in money, but did not let people know, rather letting people think you have no money.  At a minimum, this is DECEPTION.
 
 
 
@H4wk3y3z:
 
 
“…I just love it when people come in here and try to show how smart they are, but in reality, all it shows us is how really stupid they are..” – Is that so?  I showed that I can master English reading comprehension and I showed that I detect a difference in what was stated and what was happening.  No, this does not make me ‘stupid’.  It is behavior such as yours that denotes such.
 
"…What was your in-game name, I'm just curious…” – What difference would this make?  ZERO.  The truth is the truth.  The truth does not change if I have on blue shirt or a green shirt.  This is merely a deflection statement.  You want my name to HARASS ME.
 
“…As of now you seem like a troll hiding behind your fictitious name…” – You mean like YOU DO!?!?  ‘H4wk3y3z’ is not your real name nor is the avatar you use is your real pic.  So, it is ok if YOU do it, but it is wrong when OTHERS do it.  What a hypocrite.  Asking a LEGIT question does not make one a ‘troll’.  Since you appear to be the ‘stupid one’, I would suggest you examine what ‘troll’ actually means before you embarrass yourself any further by using words which you do not have a clue to as what they actually mean.
 
“…We have nothing to hide here…” – Then present full accountability to all donations since day one.  Also explain why you have only one server yet, you ask for money they would pay for 2+ servers.  Explain why you cannot run an ARMA server at home to test and connect to it.  I can.  And ‘nothing to hide’ – Yet you never answer my question.  Yes, you hide and do it quite poorly.  You also ban people who speak the truth as well as remove their posts.
 
 
 
I will give credit where credit is due, Viper, at least you made an attempt to answer the question.  H4wk3y3z just insulted and name called - typical bully behavior.
 
 
Bottom line is a statement was made which was shown to be a lie – PERIOD.  Viper stated if no money came in, the server would be shut-down and it did not happen – PERIOD.
 
All the ‘unprovable’ excuses make no difference.  You can say that you have 15 fingers and we would never be able to prove it one way or the other.
 
All we have is what you STATED and what DID/DID NOT do.
 
If you are going to make ‘promises’, best keep them or people WILL CALL YOU OUT ON THEM!
 
Remember the old saying:  “You can fool some of the people some time, but not all the people all the time”.  You did not fool me!
 
So, go ahead and prove me right by banning me, HIDE THE TRUTH from others.  Whoops!  You cannot do that, REMEMBER!  You have ‘nothing to hide here’.
 

No, what you will do, is to ban me and then post more 'fake truths' on here knowing that I cannot respond - A true coward's method and one that you have employed before too!
 
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QuoteAll the good admins left too due to crap. MasterChief, Ody, RedPanther, Rusch.

That's funny that you even added Ody's name in there. After he was banned for harassing players in the server. I have my video proof of that, which Ody 'tried' to have removed from youtube for copyright infringement. LMAO, That did not work, and it is still published on there for all to see. I was hoping he would have went the court route. I caught him the first time doing it. He had a fit cause he got caught, but was only warned by Viper not to do it again. Then a short time later, he was caught by Viper doing the same shit he was told to stop doing. He was then removed and banned. He cried to MasterChief and Redpanther saying he hadn't done anything wrong. Pretty sad that they fell for his sob story when the proof is out there.

QuoteHawkeye runs off people. His behavior has run off many a person. Such as banning Fire Penguin for asking a legit question. The video of this exists and I have a copy of it, which includes several minutes BEFORE the ban so we can ALL SEE that it was not proper.

Again, another one that was removed from the server for breaking server rules. His account was banned after numerous times being caught breaking server rules. His 'legit' question was an attack aimed at an admin. Therefore he was removed. After a long talk with Viper his ban was removed. We have since then not had any issues from FirePenguin.

QuoteThen present full accountability to all donations since day one. Also explain why you have only one server yet, you ask for money they would pay for 2+ servers.

In all reality we don't have to prove to YOU anything. But I will say, donations have always gone towards the monthly bill of the server. There were months when we did not receive any donations. Any extra donations from previous months were saved and spent at that time. I can also say that there have been numerous months Viper has had to pay out of his own pocket to keep the server going. Viper has never gone back and withdrew any of the funds from donations to cover his cost.

QuoteAlso, you have people who post items in the forums that yall never answer. But you were MIGHTY QUICK TO RESPOND TO MINE! People such as Joni. This person has waited for 6 days and NO RESPONSE. Of course, I can hear it now: ’Oh we responded to them in a private message’…sure you did. Or the player Dan who asked a question and yall NEVER ANSWERED HIM! After 3 days, a player did though – BUT NOT BY YALL!

There are sometimes that we don't check the forums due to not many people posting here. Most of them either contact us through the server, or on teamspeak. I can sit here and say Dan was responded too on teamspeak, He lives in Tallahassee and works in the state capital building.

As for Joni's response. It was made through a NEWS article which can be found on the front page near the bottom.

Quote‘H4wk3y3z’ is not your real name nor is the avatar you use is your real pic. So, it is ok if YOU do it, but it is wrong when OTHERS do it.

H4wk3y3z has always been my name in these forums and on teamspeak. I guarantee you, you can't say the same. I did not ask for your real name, what I did ask for was what your original name that you used to use on here. Pretty sure you was banned from here before, this is the reason you're coming here with things you know absolutely nothing about. You yourself are using your own 'deflection' tactics on answering this question.

As for the server being taken down, Viper may remove the server at anytime of his own free will. Although, He damn sure isn't going to remove it just because someone is questioning his integrity.

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4th May

Well, now I know the group that has this going as we have an IP of 24.98.4.192 connecting to the forums and checking out this topic just before and after you posting. This IP is from Atlanta, GA. Only person I know from Atlanta, GA is Odysseus. A coincidence? I think not. Amazing how after all this time Ody wants to stir the pot some more. He has been on a losing streak with the admins on this server for quite some time. Can't follow rules as an admin. Puts in false copyright infringement reports to youtube. This was the one I was hoping he would try to go all the way with, as I stated above. He is such an emotional nutjob. He has been caught in so many lies, and I have the proof.
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4th May

I agree and lets see i wonder who's ip that could be hmmmmm, well after all this time some one must be bored with there life and trying to stir the pot again i mean how pathetic can you be i mean for real. Lets see ody was banned from the server for harassing players after he was told to not do it again the first time. Oh and i will link the video link in here also for all to see. Also our server hoster has also been notified and do take note, under the registration notes it also states that any forum post or anything any one post is done at free will and thus being said no copy right is taken since you posted it in these forums<<<< so please take note, but hawk has pretty much sumed it up. But to who ever this is please go get some help and please have a nice day.
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29th May

Oh yea, by the way, here you go...for those that are wondering about the true price that is paid....and as was stated before, any funds that were raised over the billing amount was always put forward into the next months payment.

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2nd Jun

How about those phone conversations Ody and I had..
His time would be better served getting some sort of help ..

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2nd Jun

I sgree.
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2nd Jun

As if Viper needed to dip into the Epoch account ..lol.
I just find it funny,that someone would spend all time quoting shit ,trying to stir shit up.You must have a raging hard-on for these guys.Otherwise you would not come on here trying to prove/disprove exactly what?That Viper said one thing or another and changed his mind? Or that he continues to pay out of pocket to keep this server up?You should appologize for trying to stir shit about something you have absolutely zero knowledge about.....

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